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Hi cindylouwho,cindylouwho wrote:do you also have a high BT? Are you taking that amount every day even without illness? ... Thanks for all responses and would love to know there are heathy people out there with high BT too!
On March 11, 2006 quickstep wrote:Looking at the chart for "bowel tolerance" http://www.orthomed.com/titrate.htm, I have yet to achieve it after consuming 140 grams. I've tried to deduce why I'm not achieving bowel tolerance yet, does anyone have a recommendation on how to best approach this?
First, I have been consuming 20g of ascorbic acid for 1 month and decided to try achieving "bowel tolerance"
I increased my dosage to 100g in one day without luck, so over the next 6 days I increased to 125g. I dropped the dose to 20g daily again, waited a week and jumped up to about 140g in one day. No results.
I've tried two different brands (twin labs & NOW) of pure ascorbic acid. I eat very healthy, exercising daily, I'm in my upper 20's. Although, I do have environmental (dust, pollen) and food allergies (wheat - gluten, yeast), but could this cause a tolerance so high?
Consuming over 100g daily seems inconvenient and causes some excessive gas at times.
On March 31, 2006 quickstep wrote:I started taking Ascorbic Acid in January 20grams per day for 2 months (I purchase online from http://www.bulknutrition.com or locally Seattle Super Supplements). After some research - thank goodness for this forum - I concluded I needed to achieve a higher dose to BT.
The strange thing is, as I increased to 100g+ for several days my gas level was about the same as when I was taking 20g. Maybe a little more bloating, but never to BT. I have now tried 5 different brands, all ascorbic acid, 2 powers and 3 pill form. Maybe it is a coincidence that I was just getting sick or my allergies kicking in due to the change in season, or other stresses.
I've been in an unsick mode for a little while now taking 50g per day and I'm considering getting another IgE allergy test, plus a blood test by a local doctor.
-Both quotes above are from a thread in Bowel Tolerance subforum entitled 'How high should I go to achieve bowel tolerance?'http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=341&start=0
It was a one-time test. As a case study I don't imagine it's worth much to other people because it had an N=1.cindylouwho wrote:It is interesting that only one person with the high BT, Vancanada, is still noting their high BT. Maybe the others did have something wrong and never came back to let the forum know.
cindylouwho wrote:...I would love to know if there are folks out there ingesting large amounts of V-C for maintence - well above the norm that truely are healthy. It would be interesting to know.
In a since deleted thread from 2009 I, VanCanada wrote:It might help if I mention I'm in my early 40's, male, I experience tinnitus, my memory has gotten worse, I'm clumsy sometimes, I get asthma sometimes, cold extremeties... relatively minor things.... (For what's it's worth, I would trace these to having mercury poisoning from amalgam tooth fillings.)
In June 2009 I did my first bowel tolerance test. This test involved 100% ascorbic acid powder/no bioflavonoids. My goal was to see how much ascorbic acid I needed to consume orally before loose stools occurred. I started my first AA oral dose at 7 am. My doses were usually 7.9 g (a level tablespoon) usually every 20 minutes. I had the urge to defecate starting at ~8 am after ~22 grams. Nothing happened while sitting on the toilet so I kept the oral intake experiment going. My stomach was rumbling and feeling upset after ~10 am (79 grams). I pushed on --- er, uhhh ha ha ha, I mean I continued taking the AA powder. Several times I would feel the urge, I would go sit on the toilet, but nothing happened. The last few intakes seemed to taste more and more sour, more unpleasant, as if my body was throwing up, err, I mean Raising up some sort of surrender flag. The last intake was at 10:50 am. The total intake was 97 grams. I had had enough.
Now in my writing I'm getting more serious. I'm not joking around anymore.
My goal of loose stools was attained at 12:15 pm, and then at 1:00 pm, and then again at 1:50 pm. At 2:20 pm I felt a bit dizzy and had a final big, liquid BM.
{...I took 600 mg of sustained release N-acetyl-cysteine at 10:05am. I took no food or other supplements until after 2:20 pm}
END of experiment
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Some followup:
One day in July (2009) I tried 45 grams in 6 hours but only experienced a bit of flatulence. The next day I took 61 grams in 9 hours and experienced some stomach rumbling after 42 grams that day. No loose stools either day. I'm now taking 5 to 8 grams AA (in tablet form) and 2 g lysine daily, etc.
ofonorow wrote:And yes, research and logic both support the notion that low stomach acid interferes with the absorption of ascorbic acid (vitamin C).
cindylouwho wrote:My questions concern bowel tolerance, but also the necessity of taking this dose daily. I am a healthy 110# woman and I finally, after 1 month got to BT at 61 gms. It was a very uncomfortable month once I hit 40 gms. No matter what form of VC I took - capsules or powder, I felt bloated and full. I tried with food, without food, in OJ, capsules + powder + chewable.....all of it made me feel bad. I tapered myself down to 20 gms a day and that works. My question, I simple terms, is how can something that is suppose to be so good, make me feel so bad. From a fluid standpoint, I was ingesting water all the time to get 61 gms in. This is a lot for a small person that is and has been well all her life. Does BT really correlate with an illness. I sure feel a lot better NOW than when I was consuming so much. Thanks!
6g will be all you need.
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