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Post Number:#1  Post by freddy » Sun Feb 24, 2013 11:30 pm

Thanks for hosting this website, it’s a huge help.

I was diagnosed with Buerger’s Disease and chronic PVD, aorta, iliacs etc 3 years ago. Last week spent 3 days in hospital due Unstable Angina.

For a few months I’ve been taking V-C megadoses but intermittently and in view of the heart condition decided to go ahead with a proper Pauling Therapy program.

Recent reading here at VCF I learned about Vitamin C’s drop in potency when dissolved in water, how L- and D-molecular ascorbic acid variations differ, how D- is of no value, (how to know when purchasing V-C?) how Vitamin C’s bio-availability increases with frequent small doses < ~1 gram, very useful information.

Below an Excel spreadsheet of most items discussed on VCF listing daily gram doses for each ingredient, 30-day batch weights to mix for the caps, and quantity of ‘O’ capsules required for 30 day periods.

I’m thinking of making a 2 kg batch for a one month supply, say 4000 ‘O’ capsules/month, or 130 capsules a day, 8 caps per hour. And see how things go for three months with this method.

Please comment on any issues, whether some ingredients don’t mix well, oxidization, system tolerance, storage, ratios, doses, etc any other points. Thank you.

Since getting out of hospital 10 days ago on 15 Feb been taking approx 16g Vitamin C and 6g Lycine daily in small doses each hour and so far no hint of returning angina. All other ingredients are on order and they'll get here in about 10 days then start the whole program for real so at that point and subsequently be able to report findings as we go.

Items in blue I'm finding hard to locate. Every few days chop a handful each of garlic, ginger and lime, boil in 2 liters of water for 30 minutes and bottle, take one glass/day. Plus a handful of raw garlic.

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Post Number:#2  Post by studentroland » Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:19 am

Vitamin K2 can be found here:
http://www.iherb.com/Thorne-Research-Vi ... 0-ml/21592
I googled Buergers disease, and it says that the single most important thing to do if one wants to get rid of the condition is to quit smoking...and cigarettesmoke consumes a great deal of Vitamin C-reserves...but I assume that you´ve done this already...:)
Regarding the racemic mixture of the two forms, Levo and Dexter, I found this text online:
Prior to the year 2000 there were a few manufacturers producing the racemic form of Vitamin C, DL-Ascorbic Acid, but for the year 2009-20010 there are no major manufacturers producing racemic DL-Ascorbic Acid anywhere in the world.

http://www.experts123.com/q/is-purebulk ... -acid.html

So, most likely it is only the L-form which is for sale today, 2013...

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Post Number:#3  Post by VanCanada » Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:45 pm

freddy wrote:Please comment on any issues, whether some ingredients don’t mix well, oxidization, system tolerance, storage, ratios, doses, etc any other points. Thank you.

Taking the melatonin throughout the day is not a good idea. Taking melatonin all at once about thirty to forty-five minutes before bedtime is a better way to take it.

A mix of fast release and slow release varieties might be better for some people.

Taking the arginine can be much improved upon. See my prior postings for more details. Adding L-Citruline to any arginine can prolong its effect manyfold in terms of effective time duration. I strongly suggest listening to the radio interviews of Dr. Prendergast by Dave Stouder that I posted elsewhere on this forum. The program is called The Vitamin Shelf. They are free to download.

Keep us updated on your health maintenance program please. You are doing real science and it your kind of information sharing that can help so many people.

Best wishes,

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Post Number:#4  Post by Saw » Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:56 pm

Too much Lysine (10g) -> 6g is standard pauling dose
Too much Proline (6g) -> 2g standard, your body makes its own as well.
Vitamin E complex(8) -> I take the "8" to mean 4 tocopherols and 4 tocotrienols, you may want to read this interview with Dr.Tan http://www.drpasswater.com/nutrition_library/tan_1.html
Tan: I usually recommend that people take their tocopherols in the morning and take their tocotrienol supplement in the evening with dinner


Vitamin B complex -> I would recommend a brand that contains the methyl forms of B12 and Folate.

Also don't see any Vitamin D3 on your list.
Even a Blind Squirrel makes his own vitamin C.

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Post Number:#5  Post by freddy » Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:56 pm

Very many thanks to all so far for your valued input, very useful indeed. I want to spend the rest of the afternoon researching and I'll reply individually this evening (Bangkok time).

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Post Number:#6  Post by freddy » Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:40 am

Release from hospital 15 Feb = DAY 1.

DAY 1 started regular 1g/hr (every hour 8am to midnight) = 17g/day Ascorbic Acid plus Lycine & Proline 1/2g each at intervals totaling 6g Lycine/day & 2g Proline/day. Occasional daily doses of Arginine, NAC, MgChl, Rutin, awaiting delivery of the balance of items to incorporate into a regular routine in about 10-14 days. Being resident in SE Asia it's a little harder to get stuff and takes a while longer.

Today DAY 12, good tolerance, no Angina recurrence to date, noticed mild improvement in sense of wellbeing, improved sleeping pattern, better appetite. Also started a visualization program as outlined by Jose M. Herrou Aragon in his short book “The Forbidden Parapsychology” http://www.theforbiddenparapsychology.com with focus on stimulating a range of health benefits. May well be of interest to members here. As with a good supplement program Jose's ideas may well produce good results, and some fun too :wink:
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Post Number:#7  Post by freddy » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:02 am

Saw wrote:Too much Lysine (10g) -> 6g is standard pauling dose
Too much Proline (6g) -> 2g standard, your body makes its own as well.
Vitamin E complex(8) -> I take the "8" to mean 4 tocopherols and 4 tocotrienols, you may want to read this interview with Dr.Tan http://www.drpasswater.com/nutrition_library/tan_1.html
Tan: I usually recommend that people take their tocopherols in the morning and take their tocotrienol supplement in the evening with dinner


Vitamin B complex -> I would recommend a brand that contains the methyl forms of B12 and Folate.

Also don't see any Vitamin D3 on your list.


Thanks for that Saw, revised the Lycine & Proline doses. Tan's info is good, I had no idea about Vitamin E till reading that. Tocotrienol it is. Annatto plants grow in Northern Thailand, I'll look for seeds and have a shot at growing a few plants here close to Hua Hin. B complex next on the research list. Added D3 to the order.

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Post Number:#8  Post by freddy » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:13 am

VanCanada wrote:
freddy wrote:Please comment on any issues, whether some ingredients don’t mix well, oxidization, system tolerance, storage, ratios, doses, etc any other points. Thank you.

Taking the melatonin throughout the day is not a good idea. Taking melatonin all at once about thirty to forty-five minutes before bedtime is a better way to take it.

A mix of fast release and slow release varieties might be better for some people.

Taking the arginine can be much improved upon. See my prior postings for more details. Adding L-Citruline to any arginine can prolong its effect manyfold in terms of effective time duration. I strongly suggest listening to the radio interviews of Dr. Prendergast by Dave Stouder that I posted elsewhere on this forum. The program is called The Vitamin Shelf. They are free to download.

Keep us updated on your health maintenance program please. You are doing real science and it your kind of information sharing that can help so many people.

Best wishes,

- VanCanada
Vancouver, Canada


Thanks Van for your comments on melatonin, it hadn't occurred to me. Citruline added to the order. As far as the Pauling program I feel I have little choice other than surgery which I have no intention of unless things get hairy. Though I've studied supplements for a couple of years I feel pretty green. It's a huge field and gets pretty complicated. This site has been very helpful in getting a program up from an idea to actually doing it.

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Post Number:#9  Post by freddy » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:19 am

studentroland wrote:Vitamin K2 can be found here:
http://www.iherb.com/Thorne-Research-Vi ... 0-ml/21592
I googled Buergers disease, and it says that the single most important thing to do if one wants to get rid of the condition is to quit smoking...and cigarettesmoke consumes a great deal of Vitamin C-reserves...but I assume that you´ve done this already...:)
Regarding the racemic mixture of the two forms, Levo and Dexter, I found this text online:
Prior to the year 2000 there were a few manufacturers producing the racemic form of Vitamin C, DL-Ascorbic Acid, but for the year 2009-20010 there are no major manufacturers producing racemic DL-Ascorbic Acid anywhere in the world.

http://www.experts123.com/q/is-purebulk ... -acid.html

So, most likely it is only the L-form which is for sale today, 2013...


Yes, cigarettes did the damage for sure. At the hospitals you see advanced cases of BD, both feet blackened to charred stubs, and plenty of amputees. Something on K2, apparently it costs $1.5M per kilo.
http://www.algaecal.com/vitamin-k2.html

Next week the girlfriend will be in Bangkok hunting down an ultrasonic cleaner. If she finds one well have a shot at making a Lypo-C brew! Let you know.

Also sending off for a NATTO STARTER KIT ($3), http://www.vitamindwiki.com/Overview+Vi ... +Vitamin+D
Make your own K2. http://www.gemcultures.com/soy_cultures.htm
Two cups yields about 80 mcg K2, being an acquired taste that's a lot to get down the gullet. Maybe can find it locally.

http://y2khealthanddetox.com/peakk2.html
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Post Number:#10  Post by studentroland » Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:17 am

Interesting links, Freddy and y´all, and good luck with the natto, Freddy...I´ve tasted it myself (although I live in Sweden), and it for sure takes a little "getting used to", since it is "sticky"...I´m getting my K2 from grassfed butter, which I´ve managed to come by from local small-farm producers...
As for the supplementation with vitamin D3, I believe it depends to a great deal where one lives, whether one needs any supplements with it or not, since it is produced in the skin by sunlight, and I assume that the sun is normally shining in Hua Hin, Thailand? I take it myself during wintertime here in Scandinavia, but in the summer? ...well, I think one produces enough oneself, if one is exposed to the sun...and if I was living in Thailand, I would redirect my money´s worth from supplementation with D, and instead get a nice tan and turn my interest towards the other vitamins mentioned previously in this thread, and also include Iodine, or at least iodized salt...since Thailand unlike neighbouring Burma seems to just recently have begun an iodizing salt-programme, so perhaps iodized salt is not normally used yet in Thailand?
Though I've studied supplements for a couple of years I feel pretty green. It's a huge field and gets pretty complicated.


http://business.un.org/en/documents/10622

Yeah, supplementation is complicated, and I might be wrong about the D, but I try to keep things as simple as possible, and if the sun is shining, why overdo it?

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/h ... min-d.html
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Post Number:#11  Post by VanCanada » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:58 pm

A high quality hawthorn extract can be very good for heart health. The customer reviews at iHerb (the link is below) are interesting. I haven't tried their Hawthorn products yet but maybe you can find a good herbalist in your area to give you advice on where to find a good product.

Good luck freddy with your angina, etc.


http://www.iherb.com/Hawthorn

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Post Number:#12  Post by VanCanada » Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:38 pm

The postings of mine I mentioned above include this posting (it has several links to free downloads of Dr. Prendergast interviews):

http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=8945&p=26034&hilit=arginine#p26034

Please let me know if any of the links do not work for you.

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Post Number:#13  Post by freddy » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:09 am

studentroland wrote: ....Iodine, or at least iodized salt...since Thailand unlike neighbouring Burma seems to just recently have begun an iodizing salt-programme, so perhaps iodized salt is not normally used yet in Thailand?



Studentrowland re salt, we’re lucky with that here, get 5k bags of local unrefined sea salt, large crystals, grind in a mortar, tastes far better than table salt. “Fleur de Sel” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleur_de_sel new to me, I’ll try to get it locally.
http://www.siamesetraders.com/saltmore.html
“It’s not a simple matter to find this rare salt today. Big commercial salt and chemical interests, buy tons of unrefined sea salt, refine it, and sell off its valuable minerals and trace elements. They inject the depleted remains with an iodine supplement, and then dump it back onto the market as “table salt.”
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Re Iodine, a few months ago I got 100g Potassium Iodide to make SSKI. Each saturated batch turned brown/yellow within a day so threw out. The PI salt looks OK. Oxidized?

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Post Number:#14  Post by studentroland » Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:13 am

Yeah, you are for sure lucky to have access to local unrefined sea-salt, although it can also be obtained by Europeans via mail, from France...
http://www.celticseasalt.com/
The micro-nutrients contained in unrefined sea-salt are for sure health-enhancing, as opposed to ordinary table-salt which instead tends to "drain" the body of the same micronutrients, as I understand it...Iodine, though, is not one of these nutrients, since this element is effectively taken up by seaweed and other tiny sea-living organisms already in the sea, leading to the "state-of-affairs" that people living by the shore-lines (as yourself?) who regularly eats seafood most likely don´t need any extra supplementation with Iodine (which I didn´t think of when I posted earlier), since all the Iodine one needs most likely is provided by the food...for people living inland, though (like myself) in a "goiter-belt", the situation is different, and supplementation becomes a necessity for maintaining longterm health...since you´ve already ordered Iodine, though, we might aswell contemplate the interesting chemical reactions of this element, one of which is that the Iodide ion in the potassium-iodide salt is colourless, but the free molecular iodine-molecule have a brownish-yellow tint in solution ...since the iodide-ion is easily oxidised to molecular Iodine by atmospheric or water-dissolved oxygen, iodide-ions in iodized salt tend to evaporate as molecular Iodine in "hot and humid conditions" over time , and the Iodide-ions in your salt-crystals react with oxygen in the water, forming dissolved molecular Iodine which gives the brownish colouration...since this reaction is practically "unavoidable", one might aswell go for Lugol´s solution if one chooses to supplement with Iodine...
http://www.jcrowsmarketplace.com/lugols ... odine.aspx

Furthermore, different body-tissues seems to prefer either ions (e.g. the thyroid) or molecular Iodine (e.g. the female breast-tissue)...
http://iodine4health.com/body/body.htm

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Post Number:#15  Post by ofonorow » Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:08 am

VanCanada wrote:A high quality hawthorn extract can be very good for heart health.

Good luck freddy with your angina, etc.


http://www.iherb.com/Hawthorn


I thought this topic was good as well as the advice, except for "hawthorn extract" and wonder what there is about it that is supposed to be good? (Perhaps it contains high amounts of lysine or arginine?) My negative opinion was formed over the years by people who tried a product with this extract, found no relief and started trying Linus Pauling therapy products.
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